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but, .....I repeat myself.
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Sunday, March 28, 2004
 
Japan Today - 2 Iraqi boys killed after playing with shell
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 05:31 JST
SAMAWAH, Iraq — Two of six children playing with what was thought to be a dud shell died after it exploded Saturday in the southern Iraqi city of Samawah, where Japanese troops on a reconstruction mission are based, a local hospital official said.
The four other children were unhurt in the accident that took place at around 10 a.m. on the premises of a base where drills were conducted by the former Iraqi military. (Kyodo News)


I wonder how many other children have been killed by the unexploded ordnance that we have left laying around the country side? I have no doubt that the fine people at Tacitus.org that it's unfortunate, but that you can't make an omelet with out breaking eggs.

I personally would love seeing the great Tacitus go and explain to the parents, why their children had to pay the morally acceptable price of war.

Tacitus - November 23,2003

What’s the f*cking difference between this and dropping a two thousand pound bomb in the middle of Bahgdad the way we did a few days ago, the dead are dead and their bodies have definitly been desecrated.

War is a bitch and you guys on the Right wanted it, now go and fight it.
Posted by: Don_Quijote at November 24, 2003 12:22 AM

What’s the f*cking difference between this and dropping a two thousand pound bomb in the middle of Bahgdad the way we did a few days ago….

You’re the voice of ignorance, Don Quijote. The 2,000-pound bomb strikes in Baghdad were against empty buildings, and the populace was warned well beforehand. Ludicrous tactics, but hardly immoral.

And, might I add, we are not in the habit of mutilating Iraqi corpses.

Next.
Posted by: Tacitus at November 24, 2003 12:29 AM

Tac,

I don’t see how it’s any worse that this:

We visit another family, several streets over. Twenty-two people live in this simple compound. During the attack that Saturday some gathered in the small open-air cubicle that is used for washing clothes. Raja Mizhir, 40, the mother of seven children, tried to shelter them when two small bombs blasted through the wall. It was about 11am. The holes in the wall show how one came in high, above their heads, and the other low, at shin level. Raja’s legs were hit and later, in hospital, both were amputated. She died on March 30 from, her death certificate states, “aggressive shelling”.

Mapped: The lethal legacy of cluster bombs

Documented Collateral Damage: Minimum 7898 maximum 9727

So who are the savages exactly? How many US civilians have the Iraqis ever killed?
Posted by: Don_Quijote at November 24, 2003 01:16 AM

Then by your standard, whether you realize it or not, all war is wrong. The Civil War was wrong. The Revolution was wrong. World War II was wrong. All because of “collateral damage.”

Most people recognize “collateral damage” as a morally acceptable price of war. You may not, but I hope you understand the implication of that belief.
Posted by: Tacitus at November 24, 2003 01:44 AM

Tac,

No one knows if any civilians were killed by those bombs in Downtown Bahgdad. I would be shocked if there was no collateral damage.

As for just war theory, I know nothing about it but I know right and wrong and IMNSHO this war is WRONG.
Posted by: Don_Quijote at November 24, 2003 01:41 AM

Then by your standard, whether you realize it or not, all war is wrong. The Civil War was wrong. The Revolution was wrong. World War II was wrong. All because of “collateral damage.”

Most people recognize “collateral damage” as a morally acceptable price of war. You may not, but I hope you understand the implication of that belief.
Posted by: Tacitus at November 24, 2003 01:44 AM

Tac,

War is wrong, but occasionally a necessary evil, in this particular case it was not necessary. Iraq did not threathen the US nor did it have the ability to strike at the US (No Navy, No Air Force).

In the Twentieth Century the US participated in numerous wars, but only one of those, WWII was just as far as I am concerned.

Now, you people on the right wanted war, you ‘ve got it so quit bitching.
Posted by: Don_Quijote at November 24, 2003 01:54 AM

You’re not a lost cause, rilkefan. Quijote, on the other hand, would be better off in a preschool for moral idiots. “Quit bitching.” Good God.

wellbasically can’t understand why corpse mutilation is abominable. I feel pity.

Two things for you, Small Axe:

1) Can you really argue that the Tiger Force is anything but an outlyer — an exception to the rule — insofar as the modern American Army is concerned? Having actually been in the Army, I can assure you that such behavior is not generally condoned.

2) Yes, a society that tolerates public corpse mutilation is far sicker and more debased than one that forces it out of view.
Posted by: Tacitus at November 24, 2003 02:08 AM

In conclusion who gives a f*ck about collateral damage, but heaven forbid that any of my friends get hurt, after all they are far more important than the other 400+ dead Americans or the thousands of wounded & crippled Amwericans. Not to even discuss the Iraqi Body count that we are creating.

And I am a moral Idiot?

Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue. De La Rochefoucauld
Posted by Don Quijote · January 10, 2004 01:24 AM


Here is an image of you morally acceptable collateral damage


courtesy of Human Rights Watch






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